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    Quote Originally Posted by darkmninya View Post
    Only Robin knows where pluton is ,cobra only know the Location of the Porneglyph. So BB searching for Pluton is not possible, noone know where it is expect Robin.
    Unless Pluton has been unearthed by accident. And if for a normal reader, it's just a big ship that has been discovered in Alabasta, people like teach must know the reality of it.
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    Morgan in the official translation talks about an obituary, an attempted murder, and the vote results (probably baning of the warlords, but maybe they voted on something else)

    Wich one is Sabo's, wich one is Alabasta and wich one was the cover up target?

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    Also, wich one is the one that gets Blackbeard ready to roll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Actually it is pretty much implied it is somewhere in Alabasta. Crocodile said he can look for it in the kingdom once it is his (meaning he had an inkling of where it is) and Cobra also said the moment Robin had told him, the kingdom would have lost, pointing out it was an immediate consequence, which is impossible if it´s somewhere far away.

    Crocodile had no reason to stay and take Alabasta if Pluton was not there, because taking Alabasta was always a means to getting to real power and essentially still taking over the world, in contrast to his goal in the past of becoming Pirate King that was crushed by Whitebeard, and he never recovered from that. Unlike Kuro for example, he was not looking for a comfortable life but simply the power of the weapon to become a different Pirate King.
    That's also a good point.

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    So why Drake attacked Kizaru in SA pre TS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishido View Post
    So why Drake attacked Kizaru in SA pre TS?
    Its questionable either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishido View Post
    So why Drake attacked Kizaru in SA pre TS?
    For him it is part of the act. Depending on if the admiral knew it is either good acting or just part of his pirate kicking day

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post

    Also, wich one is the one that gets Blackbeard ready to roll?
    Really difficult to say. The Mera Mera would be way too obvious, but the most obvious predictions end up being true half of the time.

    I can't see it being Pluton, since I also believe it's located in Alabasta (see Miyamoto's post), and the country is in the Paradise half of the grand line. Logistically it would be a nightmare to invade that place, especially since the Government would have it's focus on it as well.

    Yeah, I'm staying with the Mera Mera theory. The "prize" is the captured Sabo, who's being transferred to Vegapunks lab for kumafication. Vegapunk has a presence in the New World, so intercepting that route also seems a lot more doable for Blackbeard.

    Also this relevant again

    Spoiler:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    Don't worry, Stainless will survive, since he's actually going after Buggy, not Mihawk.
    Ah, I combined the two scenes in my head. We really don't know how much firepower and what kind of officers were put up against Mihawk then.

    Though if you buy into the memes, Buggy could end up being just as bad for poor Stainless (though likely through no fault of his own )

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    Quote Originally Posted by theackwardstation View Post
    Garp is retired.
    Not entirely. Afterall we are looking at him as this very moment working as one. He retains his rank as Vice Admiral and he is still part of the Marine.

    Although the One Piece world is one where someone like Garp can say "No way I'm doing that" with a laugh and nobody would be able to do anything to force him. And I can perfectly see him opposing to take part on this Shichibukai whole deal. Even if he was against the Shichibukai system, I can see someone like him not agreeing with sending war fleets to warn their former partners the agreement was over on the same breath as putting them under arrest (not that Akainu could have dealt with it any other way, though. Giving time to those super powerful pirates, used to have their backs held by the government, to take preemptive action would probably mean they would reach the Emperors looking for patronage, effectively having one of the Three Powers join forces with the enemy rather than abolishing it).

    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    That would actually be a bad, BAAAAAD idea. If you ever get compromised and enemies get into your territory, (as just happened with the BB pirates) them having access to perfect tracking devices of every major member of the organization would be baaaaaad.

    If they were only "is this person healthy" cards, that'd be fine. But as tracking devices... nope.

    That said, maybe they did have them and burned them when BB attacked.
    Vivre Cards are only connected to a person as "'is this person healthy' cards", though. As tracking devices, it was explained they don't actually point towards the person, but other parts of the card itself.
    In the scenario you used, if a member was captured you would only need to get rid of your own piece of the VC and it would not be useful to track you anymore (you could even use it to point trackers to a wrong location).
    Also, the fact Sabo knows how to make Vivre Cards himself (and could make a huge one on spot) highly suggests it was something he would do as a RA member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    Really difficult to say. The Mera Mera would be way too obvious, but the most obvious predictions end up being true half of the time.

    I can't see it being Pluton, since I also believe it's located in Alabasta (see Miyamoto's post), and the country is in the Paradise half of the grand line. Logistically it would be a nightmare to invade that place, especially since the Government would have it's focus on it as well.

    Yeah, I'm staying with the Mera Mera theory. The "prize" is the captured Sabo, who's being transferred to Vegapunks lab for kumafication. Vegapunk has a presence in the New World, so intercepting that route also seems a lot more doable for Blackbeard.

    Also this relevant again



    Considering how much hate raid suit sanji got, would you guys rather if he got the mera mera no mi instead?


    I'm going with shirahoshi for what BB wants. This is the only way to explain caribou's story. He was not going to give the info to kaidou, but to blackbeard. Ace's fruit is special, but not that special, like not more then other logias. Darkess and gura no im I can see why BB wants it since one is the best logia and one best paramecia, but fire logia? He wants to set something on fire?

    I would rather think BB wants Sabo for his strength as underling, rather then his fruit. Since he observed him in war of Baltigo.

    I think Kuma's fruit is way more interesting and useful for blackbeard. Like his ships/crew instant teleport to another island? On top of shilliew that can make everyone invisible, maybe even ships, and top of Devon that can change into anyone. They could do ...anything, infiltrate anything, even Marijois.

    Ok I'm sold on BB wanting kuma's fruit. He did go for surprises, like absalom's fruit rather then the much expected diamond fruit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    Considering how much hate raid suit sanji got, would you guys rather if he got the mera mera no mi instead?
    Yes, 100% with sugar on top.

    I mean he won't get/keep either, but at least the Mera Mera comes with a heavy downside and requires training to use well, just like any Devil Fruit. We tend to forget that because we usually meet fruit users after they got accustomed to their abilities already, but there is always a way to go, always room to grow. Even the prodigy Sabo immedietely started to train with the fruit, indicating that even such a powerful ability needs to be tamed (and as a reference, Tashigi in Smoker's body could barely launch an attack, it was an absolute mess).


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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    Not entirely. Afterall we are looking at him as this very moment working as one. He retains his rank as Vice Admiral and he is still part of the Marine.
    He was going to quit and he accepted to stay as just a figurehead. It's not for them to force him into active service later.



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    I prefer the suit just because I don't think a logia really goes well with Sanji fighting style. The raid suit fits it perfectly.

    I never minded the raid suit feeling like a free power up, DF are like that as well 99,99% of the time - see Sabo. The only problem I have with the raid suit is Sanji bending his values resorting to Vinsmoke technology, something that could have been easily solved if Oda showed us more of what Sanji's thought process was when he decided it was ok to wear it instead of just giving us that "Wearing this doesn't make me a Vinsmoke" line and calling a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    Considering how much hate raid suit sanji got, would you guys rather if he got the mera mera no mi instead?


    I'm going with shirahoshi for what BB wants. This is the only way to explain caribou's story. He was not going to give the info to kaidou, but to blackbeard. Ace's fruit is special, but not that special, like not more then other logias. Darkess and gura no im I can see why BB wants it since one is the best logia and one best paramecia, but fire logia? He wants to set something on fire?

    I would rather think BB wants Sabo for his strength as underling, rather then his fruit. Since he observed him in war of Baltigo.

    I think Kuma's fruit is way more interesting and useful for blackbeard. Like his ships/crew instant teleport to another island? On top of shilliew that can make everyone invisible, maybe even ships, and top of Devon that can change into anyone. They could do ...anything, infiltrate anything, even Marijois.

    Ok I'm sold on BB wanting kuma's fruit. He did go for surprises, like absalom's fruit rather then the much expected diamond fruit.
    Actually getting the opportunity to fully present his abilities without getting mocked for what he has learned painfully over 2 years would have been nice.
    Like, exploring everything, seeing he will hit a wall that he might not overcome without swallowing his pride while Oda really underlines the importance of Sanji prioritizing the crew and their safety over his hatred for whatever his family stands for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    Yes, 100% with sugar on top.

    I mean he won't get/keep either, but at least the Mera Mera comes with a heavy downside and requires training to use well, just like any Devil Fruit. We tend to forget that because we usually meet fruit users after they got accustomed to their abilities already, but there is always a way to go, always room to grow. Even the prodigy Sabo immedietely started to train with the fruit, indicating that even such a powerful ability needs to be tamed (and as a reference, Tashigi in Smoker's body could barely launch an attack, it was an absolute mess).
    Seriously, before seeing Blackbeard and Sabo, i would have agreed, especially after Crocodile´s words and seeing how strong people actually mastered the abilities, but BB and Sabo pretty much instantly copied the strongest attacks we have seen of the fruits, so much so that you can call it an instant power up.
    It seemed more like getting accustomed to, especially with you preexisting fighting style, than actually starting from scratch and drawing the power out.
    So in a sense the suit and powerful fruits are pretty equal in that regard. Tashigi is just clumsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    I prefer the suit just because I don't think a logia really goes well with Sanji fighting style. The raid suit fits it perfectly.

    I never minded the raid suit feeling like a free power up, DF are like that as well 99,99% of the time - see Sabo. The only problem I have with the raid suit is Sanji bending his values resorting to Vinsmoke technology, something that could have been easily solved if Oda showed us more of what Sanji's thought process was when he decided it was ok to wear it instead of just giving us that "Wearing this doesn't make me a Vinsmoke" line and calling a day.
    Ehem Kizaru......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephi View Post
    I have said this many times but Wano is Marineford. Its set up to be a bigger battle, as has been hinted many times and likely will be.
    Also, my guess is the final arc will be right after Wano arc ends.
    What final arc?

    There's Elbaf
    The final Road poneglyph
    Blackbeard
    Raftel
    Possibly a flashback so we get to see what happened during the void century...
    the final battle

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Actually getting the opportunity to fully present his abilities without getting mocked for what he has learned painfully over 2 years would have been nice.
    Like, exploring everything, seeing he will hit a wall that he might not overcome without swallowing his pride while Oda really underlines the importance of Sanji prioritizing the crew and their safety over his hatred for whatever his family stands for.

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    Seriously, before seeing Blackbeard and Sabo, i would have agreed, especially after Crocodile´s words and seeing how strong people actually mastered the abilities, but BB and Sabo pretty much instantly copied the strongest attacks we have seen of the fruits, so much so that you can call it an instant power up.
    It seemed more like getting accustomed to, especially with you preexisting fighting style, than actually starting from scratch and drawing the power out.
    So in a sense the suit and powerful fruits are pretty equal in that regard. Tashigi is just clumsy.

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    Ehem Kizaru......
    Kizaru has some light powered kicks but most of the time he is shooting beams and doing "elemental sorcery stuff", at best he has a mixed fighting style. Logia can be used with close-range fight, most of the users do that actually, but detracts too much from it for it to stay as the primary fighting form.
    I suppose Sanji could limit the Mera Mera to ways that would just complement his kicking style instead of going firebender mode, but then it would feel like the fruit was being wasted. The suit on the other hand is hand-tailored to complement his fighting style (because, you know, that's what actually happened).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    For him it is part of the act. Depending on if the admiral knew it is either good acting or just part of his pirate kicking day
    That he (and probably the other 3 rookies that were captured that day) escaped, meant to me that he was a mole since that day. Rocinante just was extra gravy.
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    The Marine can't ignore neither the Shichibukai nor the Yonko alliance. There is one possibility to deal with both of them. Vegapunk's new weapon, or the upgraded Pacifista but not against the Shichibukai but Big Mom and Kaido.
    There is one person that most likely knows Wano because he's from Wano and is in control of the Pacifista and maybe also in control of the new weapon: Sentomaru.
    So this way the Marines have to send only one man, who knows Wano, to deal with the Yonko problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    Really difficult to say. The Mera Mera would be way too obvious, but the most obvious predictions end up being true half of the time.

    I can't see it being Pluton, since I also believe it's located in Alabasta (see Miyamoto's post), and the country is in the Paradise half of the grand line. Logistically it would be a nightmare to invade that place, especially since the Government would have it's focus on it as well.

    Yeah, I'm staying with the Mera Mera theory. The "prize" is the captured Sabo, who's being transferred to Vegapunks lab for kumafication. Vegapunk has a presence in the New World, so intercepting that route also seems a lot more doable for Blackbeard.

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    Hmmm Kumafication, and Vegapunk being the next story beat would be excelent. It also means that is the piece of information that the goverment wanted to hide, as the rest are like..

    The warlords can't be hidden too long, the goverments (not the WG) decided that one, and their capture seems simultaneous with the news.

    The Obituary (let's asume cobra for now), this isn't something that can be hidden for long, and them framing Sabo would require this. But there is another candidate for "this person should die" in the goverments list, Saint not-an-asshole, the one that Otohime saved.

    Same with the attempted assassination, any of the two targets.

    Oda wouldn't kill Saint biggest-asshole (Charlos' dad) right now, so he's a candidate for the attempt.

    Like they frame Sabo trying to rescue Kuma as an assassination attempt, claim that Cobra "defended" saint ass-face, Cobra is the fatality, actually killed by a cp0, the elders or IM, they capture Sabo (with the Admirals there, not that difficult) and claim that he'll be sent to prission, but none of the "facts" merit a cover up, maybe them getting attacked in Marijoa, but how did they plan to silence the kings?

    Now Wapol's leak. Is that Vivi is a secret strawhat? Is he Caribou's patron and it's that Shirahoshi is a secret ancient weapon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post

    Seriously, before seeing Blackbeard and Sabo, i would have agreed, especially after Crocodile´s words and seeing how strong people actually mastered the abilities, but BB and Sabo pretty much instantly copied the strongest attacks we have seen of the fruits, so much so that you can call it an instant power up.
    It seemed more like getting accustomed to, especially with you preexisting fighting style, than actually starting from scratch and drawing the power out.
    So in a sense the suit and powerful fruits are pretty equal in that regard. Tashigi is just clumsy.
    Oh yeah, don't get me wrong - certain fruits are absolutely instant power ups to some degree. Mainly those that are already famous for being powerful. Like a logia-type is clearly useful, even if you feed it to someone like Caribou. That's why everyone wants them. Or the Gura Gura, where controlling the fruit doesn't matter if all you want is mindless destruction (fitting for Blackbeard).

    But compared to the Raidsuit (the plus-10-to-all stats-thank-you-daddy-suit) there is room for improvement, room for effort, room for growth. Sabo (the prodigy, not your average dude) was able to launch a Hiken instantly. But I doubt he could use Ace' ultimate technique the moment he consumed the fruit. Why else would Oda bother to show him train the ability after all? You don't have to do that if it's really just about getting accustomed to the fruit. Else you could say Zoro is just getting accustomed to Enma, despite him training hard all these days in preparation for the war.

    There is simply no room to grow with the raid suit, unless that growth involves Sanji asking his Nazi family for upgrades.

    "Daddy, could you upgrade my raidsuit? We're about to fight the government!"
    "Again? I already bought you the newest model last month!"
    "But daddy, it's about Lebensraum in North Blue!"
    "Oh okay, why didn't you say that earlier. Here's my credit card, also take some cloned slave soldiers while you're at it. Love ya!"

    Granted, I'm not saying Sanji should eat the Mera Mera, it's still not what the Straw Hats are about (the people who turn shitty abilities into something amazing), but it would still be easier to digest for me than the raid suit.


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