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    Love that nick, it reminds me of when I first started watching german dubbed OP on RTL2.
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    Let"s go!!!

    I'm finally caught up with one piece for the first time everrrrr

    Anway, very good chapter. Brook has been great ever since the end of Dressrosa.
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    ah good old puma d ace. almost forgotten he was called that and never understood why
    When I first realized he's actually Portgas D. Ace, I thought portgas was some sort of a wild cat. Like ocelot or serval. All because I thought there had to be a cat connection.
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    I gotta say, I think Pudding might join the crew now. But then I can't imagine that Oda will leave behind Carrot. Oda said the new crewmembers will join successfully, and Jinbe is definitely one of them. It would be epic if we got up to 3.

    (Sorry if I should post this in the crewmates thread.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiKing View Post
    I gotta say, I think Pudding might join the crew now. But then I can't imagine that Oda will leave behind Carrot. Oda said the new crewmembers will join successfully, and Jinbe is definitely one of them. It would be epic if we got up to 3.

    (Sorry if I should post this in the crewmates thread.)
    Would love this but there's not much time to focus on single character and flesh them out to the degree that all the other strawhats have gotten.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiKing View Post
    I gotta say, I think Pudding might join the crew now. But then I can't imagine that Oda will leave behind Carrot. Oda said the new crewmembers will join successfully, and Jinbe is definitely one of them. It would be epic if we got up to 3.

    (Sorry if I should post this in the crewmates thread.)
    What is the difference between leaving Pedro behind and leaving Carrot behind? I don't get the "Carrot is a female Chopper argument" to say she can't join, but I'm also not following your logic.

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    That makes it even worse. Because then it just becomes a cycle.

    Editior: "Oda-sensei, get your pencil moving faster! We NEED to get to Wano Country!"

    Editor: "Oda-sensei, get your pen swerving quicker! We NEED to get to Elbaf!"

    Editor: "Oda-sensei, get your brush stroking swifter! We NEED to get to Raftel!"

    Editor: "Oda-sensei, get your stylus sketching rapidly! We NEED to get to the Final War!"

    Editor: "Oda-sensei, get your marker drawing briskly! We NEED to get to the final Straw Hat fights!"

    Editor: "Oda-sensei, get your rubber erasing fleetly! We NEED to get to the epilogue!"

    Editor: "Oda-sensei, get your hand typing posthaste! We NEED to get to Two Piece: One Piece Next Generations!"

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    It never happened before that the plot would become so rushed as it is now. I like to think that the managers of Shueisha think that this arc is not doing so well in terms of popularity and prefer to move on as soon as possible. Oda has been cooking up Wano since the beginning of Punk Hazard, and iirc he said he couldn't wait to draw it, i think there's a good a chance he has been saving all the best storylines, characters and Devil Fruit ideas that he came up after Timeskip for the Wano arc all along, as there is a good chance it'll end up being much better than Totland, which, apart from these last segments, it was a pretty decent and funny arc. The editor will have no reason to rush the future arcs if they are popular, as there is no reason for Shueisha to make the manga finish sooner, being the gold mine that it is.

    Anyway, Brook and Bege were sure something in this chapter, but the real star for me is Perospero. That ice cold line: "But would you ever pay attention to the cries of a cow that it's about to be eaten?" may be my favourite line of the entire arc. For now he's my favourite BM family member, with a close tie with Mont d'Or.
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    What is the difference between leaving Pedro behind and leaving Carrot behind? I don't get the "Carrot is a female Chopper argument" to say she can't join, but I'm also not following your logic.
    I feel like Pedro has a story that can be resolved, allowing him to stay behind, meanwhile Carrot doesn't, so it would be odd to have her join the straw hats and then leave without any emotional thing happening. It's similar to Nami and Robin, when they joined.

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    It never happened before that the plot would become so rushed as it is now. I like to think that the managers of Shueisha think that this arc is not doing so well in terms of popularity and prefer to move on as soon as possible.
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    Is there any proof of this? I'm not criticizing you, I'm just curious about this. The Whole Cake Island arc has had some refreshing, cool moments for me, but also some not very good moments.

    Are people upset about the whole entire Sanji backstory thing? Maybe people felt it was unneeded?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiKing View Post
    Is there any proof of this? I'm not criticizing you, I'm just curious about this. The Whole Cake Island arc has had some refreshing, cool moments for me, but also some not very good moments.

    Are people upset about the whole entire Sanji backstory thing? Maybe people felt it was unneeded?
    No proof. I'm just taking a guess to justify Oda's current writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Faust View Post
    It never happened before that the plot would become so rushed as it is now. I like to think that the managers of Shueisha think that this arc is not doing so well in terms of popularity and prefer to move on as soon as possible. Oda has been cooking up Wano since the beginning of Punk Hazard, and iirc he said he couldn't wait to draw it, i think there's a good a chance he has been saving all the best storylines, characters and Devil Fruit ideas that he came up after Timeskip for the Wano arc all along, as there is a good chance it'll end up being much better than Totland, which, apart from these last segments, it was a pretty decent and funny arc. The editor will have no reason to rush the future arcs if they are popular, as there is no reason for Shueisha to make the manga finish sooner, being the gold mine that it is.

    Anyway, Brook and Bege were sure something in this chapter, but the real star for me is Perospero. That ice cold line: "But would you ever pay attention to the cries of a cow that it's about to be eaten?" may be my favourite line of the entire arc. For now he's my favourite BM family member, with a close tie with Mont d'Or.
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    But that's just it. What exactly makes arcs popular, and what will prevent Wano Country from feeling as potentially dragged out as Dressrosa? What is going to prevent Elbaf from also being unpopular? Greg himself said that he doesn't think that the series will regain the popularity it had during Marineford until maybe the final saga. And we could argue that every post-timeskip arc has been unpopular for one reason or another, so I can't really see how things will suddenly change outside of maybe some Kaido hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiKing View Post
    I feel like Pedro has a story that can be resolved, allowing him to stay behind, meanwhile Carrot doesn't, so it would be odd to have her join the straw hats and then leave without any emotional thing happening. It's similar to Nami and Robin, when they joined.
    Nami was collecting treasure for reasons and Robin was on the run and had a dream with too many enemies. There was clearly a lot more to their stories than with Carrot, who is just the Johnny/Yosaku of this arc. Same for characters like Conis, Kokoro/Chimney/Gonbe, Camie/Hatchan, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiKing View Post
    I gotta say, I think Pudding might join the crew now. But then I can't imagine that Oda will leave behind Carrot. Oda said the new crewmembers will join successfully, and Jinbe is definitely one of them. It would be epic if we got up to 3.

    (Sorry if I should post this in the crewmates thread.)
    Not only Pudding isn't a fair fighter, but her DF powers wouldn't help very much unless the SH have to start to kidnap some enemy grunt and waste the whole chapter with an expositon bomb to know whatever the Arc Villain is hiding or planning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Faust View Post
    It never happened before that the plot would become so rushed as it is now. I like to think that the managers of Shueisha think that this arc is not doing so well in terms of popularity and prefer to move on as soon as possible. Oda has been cooking up Wano since the beginning of Punk Hazard, and iirc he said he couldn't wait to draw it, i think there's a good a chance he has been saving all the best storylines, characters and Devil Fruit ideas that he came up after Timeskip for the Wano arc all along, as there is a good chance it'll end up being much better than Totland, which, apart from these last segments, it was a pretty decent and funny arc. The editor will have no reason to rush the future arcs if they are popular, as there is no reason for Shueisha to make the manga finish sooner, being the gold mine that it is.
    If this arc really is being rushed, I don't think it's because of poor reception and/or lack of popularity, but just because this is the 20th anniversary of the series, and Oda and/or his editor wants to promote/celebrate it with a major arc like Wano.

    @the bolded part: most One Piece communities I've seen have been loving everything from the Bege alliance onward (aside from the Pudding twist, which is divisive). AP is the only one that's been really critical. I'm not saying any of those opinions are invalid or wrong, just that they're in the minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Faust View Post
    It never happened before that the plot would become so rushed as it is now. I like to think that the managers of Shueisha think that this arc is not doing so well in terms of popularity and prefer to move on as soon as possible. Oda has been cooking up Wano since the beginning of Punk Hazard, and iirc he said he couldn't wait to draw it, i think there's a good a chance he has been saving all the best storylines, characters and Devil Fruit ideas that he came up after Timeskip for the Wano arc all along, as there is a good chance it'll end up being much better than Totland, which, apart from these last segments, it was a pretty decent and funny arc. The editor will have no reason to rush the future arcs if they are popular, as there is no reason for Shueisha to make the manga finish sooner, being the gold mine that it is.

    Anyway, Brook and Bege were sure something in this chapter, but the real star for me is Perospero. That ice cold line: "But would you ever pay attention to the cries of a cow that it's about to be eaten?" may be my favourite line of the entire arc. For now he's my favourite BM family member, with a close tie with Mont d'Or.
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    When you put it that way, it kinda sounds like Oda half-baked all the sides just to get to the main course, aka Wano. Of course, this isn't how I really feel about the entire Pirate Alliance Saga, it's just your post that led me to that conclusion.
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    I felt Perospero a little edgy this chapter, like the lines of him were not on his work to say it... and it was like a fodder panel, this is murder please, just go on.

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    What is the difference between leaving Pedro behind and leaving Carrot behind? I don't get the "Carrot is a female Chopper argument" to say she can't join, but I'm also not following your logic.
    Because so much of Carrot personalty comes across as Chopper like.

    Nor does Carrot have any plot importance what so ever.

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    Because so much of Carrot personalty comes across as Chopper like.

    Nor does Carrot have any plot importance what so ever.
    That is not a fair impression of the character, Jaime.

    Carrot is a SLIGHTLY BRAVER Chopper. And likes carrot-themed things. And has that one girly drawing gag. There's are clear nuanced differences that folks like you can't understand for main character potential.

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    Nothing's stopping Pedro and Carrot from joining the Grand Fleet though. More alliance members are always welcome.
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    But who becomes the Mink captain of the Grand Fleet ship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaime View Post
    Because so much of Carrot personalty comes across as Chopper like.

    Nor does Carrot have any plot importance what so ever.
    I don't feel that is the case, but as I said on the next crew mate thread, I don't think she will nor am I proposing, I just don't get the argument, I don't see it in the story, others seem to see it, not a big deal for me anyway.

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