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    Opening statement of ambassador William Taylor

    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...-Taylor-1.html

    It's fifteen pages. His OPENING STATEMENT. And it's just. Wow.

    If the GOP weren't sold out Trump would be gone today. 25th amendment at least as placeholder, if not full impeachment.
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    Republicans storm closed-door hearing to protest impeachment inquiry
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    House Republicans stormed a closed-door hearing Wednesday morning to protest Democrats' impeachment inquiry, breaking up the deposition of a top Defense Department who was testifying about President Trump's dealings with Ukraine.

    "They crashed the party," said Rep. Harley Rouda (D-Calif.), a member of the Oversight Committee, one of three House panels leading the impeachment probe.

    Dozens of Republicans, including some members of leadership, barged into the secure hearing room in the Capitol basement where Laura Cooper, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia, was providing private testimony.
    Several lawmakers said that, in response to the Republican protest, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) had left the room with Cooper, postponing the interview indefinitely.
    Honestly, the most surprising thing was learning Debbie Wasserman Schultz was a congresswoman. I always thought she was just an employee of the DNC, not a politician in her own right.

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    Republicans storm closed-door hearing to protest impeachment inquiry
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    Honestly, the most surprising thing was learning Debbie Wasserman Schultz was a congresswoman. I always thought she was just an employee of the DNC, not a politician in her own right.
    So the democrats just ran away? Was there nothing they could do?
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    So the democrats just ran away? Was there nothing they could do?
    Like what, for example? I think the Congress equivalent of security was already on it and they can't conduct the interview in those conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    Like what, for example? I think the Congress equivalent of security was already on it and they can't conduct the interview in those conditions.
    I was asking questions because I don't know. At the very least they shouldn't have run away.
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    I was asking questions because I don't know. At the very least they shouldn't have run away.
    Again, what other option is there? Stay in the room and let the Republicans do their thing? Try to conduct their interview with people not cleared for all the info I'm the room?

    Leaving the room send the least bad option.

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    Again, what other option is there? Stay in the room and let the Republicans do their thing? Try to conduct their interview with people not cleared for all the info I'm the room?

    Leaving the room send the least bad option.
    Security should have removed anyone not supposed to be there. Forcefully if necessary.
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    Security should have removed anyone not supposed to be there. Forcefully if necessary.
    That's not on the Democrats, that's on Congressional security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post

    Honestly, the most surprising thing was learning Debbie Wasserman Schultz was a congresswoman. I always thought she was just an employee of the DNC, not a politician in her own right.
    Considering she represents Florida I can understand why you wouldn't be aware.
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    That's not on the Democrats, that's on Congressional security.
    True. But it still makes them look weak. Democrats have the moral and legal high ground here, they shouldn't be afraid to push back a little.
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    True. But it still makes them look weak. Democrats have the moral and legal high ground here, they shouldn't be afraid to push back a little.
    And that keeps bringing me back to the question of how they would do that?

    My worry is any kind of pushback feeds into the Republicans' hands more than just up and leaving does. That it has higher backfire potential because they can let it feed their persecution complexes or, if the Democrats order them arrested, makes them martyrs to The Cause

    That's why I regard leaving the meeting as less 'running away' and more 'being the grownups in the room' and taking the least bad option.

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    And that keeps bringing me back to the question of how they would do that? My worry is any kind of pushback feeds into the Republicans' hands more than just up and leaving does. That it has higher backfire potential because they can let it feed their persecution complexes or, if the Democrats order them arrested, makes them martyrs to The Cause

    That's why I regard leaving the meeting as less 'running away' and more 'being the grownups in the room taking the least bad option'.
    I was thinking more that security should have ejected anyone that wasn't supposed to be there. Should've been more clear on that. But trumpy's die hard base will support him literally no matter what. We shouldn't be afraid to do what's right just because a very vocal minority will throw a shit fit over it.
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    I was thinking more that security should have ejected anyone that wasn't supposed to be there. Should've been more clear on that. But trumpy's die hard base will support him literally no matter what.
    Again, what security does or doesn't do is irrelevant to the Democrats' response.

    The most they could have done was order Congressional security to do what they're supposed to be doing without orders anyway.

    We shouldn't be afraid to do what's right just because a very vocal minority will throw a shit fit over it
    At the same time, there's no good reason to make their throwing that shit fit any easier for them.

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    Again, what security does or doesn't do is irrelevant to the Democrats' response.

    The most they could have done was order Congressional security to do what they're supposed to be doing without orders anyway.
    Okay, then why didn't they? The article made it seem like the democrats capitulated immediately without offering up any kind of resistance.
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    Okay, then why didn't they? The article made it seem like the democrats capitulated immediately without offering up any kind of resistance.
    There seem to be plans to charge them with ethics violations, so it's not like nothing is being done.

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    There seem to be plans to charge them with ethics violations, so it's not like nothing is being done.
    If that does turn out, then yes it's better than nothing. I just wish there was something more severe to be done though. Sick of republicans in congress acting like they're above things like law and punishment.
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    Well, good news, the witness has resumed giving testimony

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

    And for the record, D...

    Democrats debated asking the Capitol Police to physically remove the GOP members but decided against it, fearing that such a dramatic move would play into Republicans’ hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
    Well, good news, the witness has resumed giving testimony

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

    And for the record, D...
    I still don't like it. They were in the right! They'll never win over trumpy's base, but if they explained the situation publicly, most sane Americans would be behind them on this. They are just too afraid for my liking. These aren't normal times in politics. Sometimes bold actions must be taken.
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    Well, good news, the witness has resumed giving testimony

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

    And for the record, D...
    That’s exactly why the GOP isn’t cooperating. They know there won’t be repercussions because Dems are afraid of their own shadow.

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    It seems fine to me. The GOP pulled their little stunt but ultimately accomplished nothing. Meanwhile the Democrats can resume as if nothing had happened vs what might have occurred in they made a big deal of it.

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    Ukraine knew that Trump had frozen $391 million in security assistance by early August. The disclosure that the Ukrainians knew of the freeze by early August corroborates the claim made by the CIA whistleblower complaint. Trump and his allies have repeatedly claimed there could not have been any quid pro quo because the Ukrainians didn't know the assistance had been blocked. The Ukrainians, however, were advised by the first week of August to address it with Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff. At the same time, Rudy Giuliani, Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, and Kurt Volker, then the State Department's special envoy to Ukraine, were pressing Zelensky to make a public commitment to the investigations for Trump's political benefit. (New York Times)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/u...peachment.html

    2/ The Trump administration repeatedly tried to cut foreign aid programs tasked with combating corruption in Ukraine, according White House budget documents. In 2019, the administration tried, but failed, to cut $30 million in aid directed to Ukraine down to $13 million under a program called International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement. In the 2020 budget request, the administration again tried to cut the program's spending on Ukraine down to $13 million. "I don't care about politics, but I do care about corruption. And this whole thing is about corruption," Trump told reporters earlier this month." This whole thing — this whole thing is about corruption." Trump, Mulvaney, and other administration officials have insisted that their goal in delaying the military aid package to Ukraine was to ensure corruption was addressed in that country — not to produce political benefit to Trump. (Washington Post)

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    poll/ 45% of independents support impeachment, while 32% said they oppose it. (Reuters)

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