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    I remember hearing about a bissexual youtuber I follow being called a "Fake Gay"

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    Since the topic (kind of?) came up, I'm kind of curious how people here understand the term Pansexual.

    Mostly because it's something I found to be obvious (as I identify as pan), but recently it came to my attention that a lot of people treat it like it's the same thing as bi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noqanky View Post
    Since the topic (kind of?) came up, I'm kind of curious how people here understand the term Pansexual.

    Mostly because it's something I found to be obvious (as I identify as pan), but recently it came to my attention that a lot of people treat it like it's the same thing as bi.
    I understand it as your more attracted to someone character than gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noqanky View Post
    Since the topic (kind of?) came up, I'm kind of curious how people here understand the term Pansexual.

    Mostly because it's something I found to be obvious (as I identify as pan), but recently it came to my attention that a lot of people treat it like it's the same thing as bi.
    I understand it as attraction to people without regard for sex/gender, as opposed to bi where you're likely mainly attracted to men and women sex-wise.
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    I didn't even know there was a thing called pansexual.

    But the name sounds like it implies that you'd do anything to anything.

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    Humans can be amazingly dumb creatures. There are examples of transphobia among gay people as well, which is equally astounding. So far I've only really encountered with ignorance (when I told one guy that I'm a transman, he legit asked me: "So... you had your dick cut off?").
    There is alot of that "my struggle can't be compared to your struggle" going around. You'd think that opressed groups would feel some sorta kinship but i guess not huh.

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    I remember hearing about a bissexual youtuber I follow being called a "Fake Gay"
    Damn fake gays ruining the natural order of the pureblooded homosexuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noqanky View Post
    Since the topic (kind of?) came up, I'm kind of curious how people here understand the term Pansexual.

    Mostly because it's something I found to be obvious (as I identify as pan), but recently it came to my attention that a lot of people treat it like it's the same thing as bi.
    I treat them as the same to be honest. I date anyone, etc. I'm bisexual/pansexual myself. It's probably because how I view gender and sex, and I'm not gonna get into that.

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    I recently joined a LGBT+ club at school! I learned that thanks to this club, people can use their preferred name and pronouns on paperwork! Which is pretty sweet! :3

    Which means I can have my new name be used than my old one. Both are female names, but I fucked up the first time I changed my name, sooooo this is good for me.

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    After a bit of a complication, I'm happy to say I'm finally feeling good. Not 100%, I still can't strain myself and am afraid to eat beans, but my hormones seem to be behaving.
    The whole procedure (hysto-oopho-salpyngectomy) cost me more than I expected but some financial help from my mother helped greatly. Still, I'm glad to have it behind me. No more visits to the gynecologists~

    I'm not sure my current wellbeing is more of a "I've been feeling crappy for months and now I'm feeling less crappy thus having the illusion of feeling better than I've ever felt" or it's a genuine improvement. It seems for the first time in my life, I can relax a little. No school, steady job, good friends and good health. I feel I'm closer to achieving self-realization than I've ever been before.

    Which gives me the perfect opportunity to go out and seek a partner. So I went ahead and made my friends shoot some pictures of me (that came out awesomely, kudos to them), and re-registered on multiple dating apps/sites. It's been around 2 months and... sigh, it's tiring, although it doesn't get me down as much as previously. The apps themselves are pretty good, all things considered, especially Gayromeo, no subscription or unlimited version needed. Grindr is less useful, and some of the options I'd like are limited to the paid versions (which I'm unwilling to buy). Okcupid seem to be pretty much dead as far as I noticed, which is a shame, since it seems the highest quality out of every dating app. I'm pondering on getting back on Tinder, but I had the least success with that and without being able to message someone unless matched, it just isn't worth the time in my opinion.

    The apps are fine. The people on them, less so. It's one thing to not answer (although I try to be fair and just say no when I don't fancy someone) but why do they keep ghosting me after a week? I try to arrange a meeting as soon as possible to see if there's chemistry, but few are willing to meet up for a coffee or tea. It's frustrating, but I'm able to move on (again and again) and try out other things, like that gay club I'm in that has meetups almost every week.

    I still feel I'm miles ahead of my older self when it comes to dating, so I guess it's not all wasted.


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    Oh hey, it's me again! This time, with some infuriating and depressing news.

    The Hungarian government basically wants to make it impossible to change your legal gender in the future.
    Some context to this is that for years now, the previously kind of working system of changing legal gender and name for transgender people has been all but shut down. The official reason was that it was being reworked to create a proper system. You might remember me having difficulties as well (in a nutshell: I sent in my request with all the required documentation in the March of 2017, got an answer in August the same year that the process is currently put on hold to be reworked with no concrete deadlines as to when and how it was going to resume; finally in February 2018 I got approved during a small window of maybe one or two months where the process was reopened again with the same rules as before; this consequently got shut down again for good it seems).
    Ever since then transpeople still seeking legal gender and name change have been fighting individual court cases with varying degrees of success, but no overall solutions. Multiple organizations are said to be on the case, although I've heard nothing but complaints about one of them (namely Transvanilla, Hungary's main chiefly trans-related organization).

    Now, with the coronavirus looming over the whole world, the government passed a bill that basically allows our dear King Orbán to rule by decree to be able to better combat the spread and severity of the pandemic at hand. You might find it suspicious and might even point out how problematic this is, but worry not, we are fully aware.

    Now for the bill: the so called "salad-bill" (meaning it contains a bigger number of mostly unrelated regulation changes) has one law that would prevent transgender people of changing their legal gender on documents. Your gender would be set in stone at birth basically.

    Aside from the obvious problems of "so what would happen to intersex individuals" this bill is horrendously backwards and very much in the vein of "we shouldn't cater to mentally ill people because allowing LGBTQI-people to live peacefully among us will destroy cishetero society and God will send another flood, it's unnatural anyway".

    Now, I fully admit that the old system was far from perfect and had some problems that clearly needed to be addressed. The basic rundown for it was:
    - get a paper from the psychologists saying you have gender dysphoria and are transsexual (the term used in Hungary in medical documentation);
    - get a paper from a clinical psychiatrist saying basically the same;
    - get a paper from a gynecologist/urologist that you are not intersex and that there are no underlying medical conditions against starting hormone therapy or getting reassignment surgeries;

    Keep in mind, these can cost money. Not every psychologist/psychiatrist was willing to write such papers either because they were unfamiliar with transpeople, refused or were disallowed by the government (not entirely sure how that worked, but I heard of at least one such person who stopped giving out these papers because they were no longer accepted). Some people also had trouble finding willing and sympathetic doctors outside the capital.

    - next step is writing a formal request to the relevant authorities, with every piece of document attached as well as paying a smaller fee (aside from postage costs);
    - waiting anything from 30 days to a year for the approval or the request for more documentation if the ones already sent in weren't sufficent;
    - in case of approval, good, you can go start changing your documents; first is your birth certificate.

    This is where things get sort of weird. You see, through this process my old birth certificate was invalidated and I got a new one with my new name and gender, meaning that officially, my birth name is Caleb now. It's basically as if I was born a Caleb, which is obviously not true. I'm pretty sure if the need would arise (like during a criminal investigation), my "true" birth name could be conjured up from somewhere, but it still feels like a sub-optimal solution. I don't know how other countries (where it's possible) do this legal name and gender changing process or what the perfect solution would look like. I'm not really complaining that my "old self" was kind of erased this way, I like the choice of disclosing or not disclosing my transgender status however I feel necessary (aside from medical purposes, obviously), but I can see why the old process needed to be reworked.

    This isn't a rework however. Transpeople here are understandably angry and shaken by this, many have renewed interest in going abroad, some are staying to fight, but every one of us in anxious. Even those who had already gone through the process and are able to live our true life (even though I've heard from multiple people that even if this bill passes, it cannot be applied retroactively).


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    JK Rowling went full mask off transphobe in an essay and She's actually GAINING Followers on twitter for this and I'm just so tired.

    They hate us. They just hate us and always will.

    I can't take this anymore. The racists and the homophobes and the transphobes are winning. The world is just getting worse and worse.

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    I'm not going to wast my time reading a piece of opinion of what I think is a mediocre author and an extremely shit person trying to defend her conservative and bigot opinion.
    But by her tweets I saw, last weekend I think, I can only imagine the cesspool this is going to be.
    I think this user describes perfectly the behavior of this loony: https://twitter.com/jeffinitelyjeff/...677014529?s=20
    Daniel Radcliffe's response to those were pretty good too.
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    I might read it, just to see what she has to say for herself, but I've already seen her tweets.

    I think this kind of bigotry hurts worse than those outright foaming in the mouth. This one is insidious, because it hides behind a veil of false kindness and serene denial. They're not saying we should be burnt at the stake, but they do say giving us the right to be ourselves somehow impedes on their quality of life, thus justifying their rejection. After all, they only want to protect a marginalized group (women) from something they see as a threat.

    ^Also, that particular tweet. I wondered if they were even mentioned; I thought Rowling only rambled about transwomen.


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    Ian's response was an act of class


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    Huh. And i thought Rowlings was this extremely progressive person to the point of there being memes about her. This feels unexpected to say the least

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolus View Post
    Now, I fully admit that the old system was far from perfect and had some problems that clearly needed to be addressed. The basic rundown for it was:
    - get a paper from the psychologists saying you have gender dysphoria and are transsexual (the term used in Hungary in medical documentation);
    - get a paper from a clinical psychiatrist saying basically the same;
    - get a paper from a gynecologist/urologist that you are not intersex and that there are no underlying medical conditions against starting hormone therapy or getting reassignment surgeries;

    Keep in mind, these can cost money. Not every psychologist/psychiatrist was willing to write such papers either because they were unfamiliar with transpeople, refused or were disallowed by the government (not entirely sure how that worked, but I heard of at least one such person who stopped giving out these papers because they were no longer accepted). Some people also had trouble finding willing and sympathetic doctors outside the capital.
    Refusing on bias of governmental orders or personal religious/ideological bias wouldn't be against the Gevena's Hippocratic Oath?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    Huh. And i thought Rowlings was this extremely progressive person to the point of there being memes about her. This feels unexpected to say the least
    Before knowing that she was a TERF, the only memes that I heard about her was she post scriptum inserting diversity in the books of "wokeness points" in they why "oh by the way Dumbledore was gay" or creating completely crazy worldbuilg ideas as the wizards didn't using toilets before the 20th century or the Hufflepuff group masturbation sessions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    Huh. And i thought Rowlings was this extremely progressive person to the point of there being memes about her. This feels unexpected to say the least
    It has been well-known that she is a TERF for quite some time now. She's just getting much deeper into it now.

    It's very nice that Daniel Radcliffe came out and made his statement. Would be nice to see some of the other actors/actresses come out and say something, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    Huh. And i thought Rowlings was this extremely progressive person to the point of there being memes about her. This feels unexpected to say the least
    I've always been very skeptical of those kinds of social media celebrity super-progressives because they're often fake and doing it for bad reasons (some like to bask in the glory of their own personality cults, others are trying to atone for or cover up bad views, and a few are predators looking to find and take advantage of impressionable fans).

    At best there's usually a financial incentive for them to act that way.

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    TERFdom is particularly strange because in the UK it has infected large chunks of the feminist sphere, it's not coming from a social conservative (or well, a self aware social conservative) place. It's coming from within the walls.

    Though I haven't seen the data I'm willing to bet it is largely comprised of older women from earlier feminist waves.
    I've also heard people say that older British feminism never really had to face off with intersectional issues, like race. Britain being so much whiter than the US for instance.
    So it never "had" to do self-reflection, updating, or much thinking outside of the experience of CIS white women.

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    The hufflepuff WHAT?!
    Gonna give ya the D.!

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    The hufflepuff WHAT?!
    What, you've never had a good circle jerk before?

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