"I'm a bad guy! I don't save the day, I don't fly off to the sunset and I don't get the girl! I'm going home."
My mind usually wanders around when I read topics like these. This topic about slavery when it brought up koala, I then saw whoevers signature showing the harpy girl. Granted I keep trying to read Oda's mind even if I end up being wrong nearly every time, I oddly enough thought to compare Harpy girl (Mone) with Koala.
A rather bizarre and random guess I know, just felt I had to share it. Its not like brownbeard looks the same or even has the same name either.
(I wont be surprised if I end up being horribly wrong either)
Regardless, on to the Slavery roll:
Slavery belongs to our human nature, and no matter what we do we'll still retain it no matter what we do to eliminate class systems. Because we have a ridiculous thing such as social ranking within groups and communities, people who are further down the ladder often end up being the victims of those who want to climb the same ladder.
Though far from the idea of slavery in its general term, the mindset comes from the same origin. Pushing other people down the "ladder" to heighten yourself, if anything to provide self esteem and belittle the victim.
Victims of such people are terrorized relentlessly by this and end up emotionally damaged, in relation to how slaves are. Everyone wants out of the bottom of the ladder, so typically victims will desperately turn against others he/she considers weaker to become like those who are climbing up.
Discrimination is not very different, rather almost the same. Only real difference is that its aimed at people who are different, rather than weaker compared to you, be it social status or physical health.
The whole deal with discrimination going on between humans and fish folk is a rather clear example of this. Humans resent and belittle fishmen, causing the fishmen to grow alienated from humanity and inherit the same attitude back at them. Pride here and there, its expressed every time how its been spiraling downards in a neverending cycle.
Thats my take on the slavery in One Piece. Even if very little has to do with the ongoing slavery, its the idea I get from seeing it. A good thing too, since it exists still today (even if slavery is outlawed, it still retains its shape in lesser forms).
No they're right guys, we need a perfectly fair and open forum to all viewpoints no matter how extreme and offensive.
We all ought to aim for that high standard known as the TV Tropes Forum.
I had hoped that Amachizzle would come back into this thread to either defend, or clarify himself... or at least read what everyone had to say to him and take that all in, while giving everyone a chance to speak their mind.
It's been a day and a half, and that has not happened. And this thread is only getting worse.
So, I'm doing what I should have done yesterday. If anyone has complaints, send them to me.
Upon request, am reopening thread, against my better judgment. Keep it civil this time folks, the troll is banned.
Well, I said this before, but Fisher Tiger's story didn't make sense to me at the beginning. Because, he already knew about slavery and how it worked, so why attack Mariejoa now? What did he find in his journey that made him like that?
But when he revealed that he was a slave himself... everything started to make sense again.
What's worst than slavery? Being a slave yourself!
lol this is a fast post
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Now that this is back up,
I always wondered why the Marines and World Government were so lenient to their form of "Justice" when it came to the Human Shops when it came to pirates selling humans and merfolk. I know they obviously don't care about whether or not the Celestial Dragons/Nobles buy and own slaves, but why don't/didn't they prosecute the slave traders/buyers who aren't "Nobles", when they're head quarters were practically right beside it.
@TCS: Well to be honest, what Tiger did was crazy. I mean, you don't attack the capital of the World Government by yourself just like that. No matter who you are.
Though, I would give him credit for his planing (if he actually did), because seriously who would expect you to come back just after you escaped?
What happened after that wasn't much of a choice since they wouldn't let him be, and he would never agree to go back to prison.
Y'know? People should discuss how Oda used different characters in the series in different situations to show Slavery and its effects on them, not just Tiger and Otohime.
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Before that they did nothing about anyone who dealt with it, whether they be slave traders or pirates who sold them.
It just doesn't make sense to me why they capture pirates and bounty hunters, but leave (pirate) slave traders just because their business is related to the Tenryuunito.
But they are the Tenryuubito! It's understandable why they don't or can't do anything about it. The Marines don't have any power against the Tenryuubito since they're protected by the World Government, which basically rule over the Marines. And if you know the connection between the WG and the Tenryuubito then you'd have your answer.
Edit: As for other people being involved in the slave trade, well, you can't stop people from doing what you yourself do. Also the Marines won't go catch slaves by themselves so why not just let other people do that, and you stay away from it.
Last edited by asm00200; April 17th, 2012 at 09:05 AM.
Being a slave is a bad thing however if you're lucky you might be able to escape to keep living even thou you have to live with the fact you were a slave it's easier to be rescued than to be brought back to life if you die unless you're Brook!
The only good things that came out of slavery in One piece is that some of the slaves that escaped at least got a devil fruit out of it such as Hancock and her sisters which helps stop them becoming slaves again because they can defend themselves better however devil fruit users sell for high prices on the auction house so it also paints a target on their head also i think Bonney is a former slave that might have been forced to eat a devil fruit as well because Akainu seemed to want to take her back for her fruit and it seemed to apply that she was with them before she became a pirate also the fact she hates them and seemed to be moving around like the fishman pirates also i think she was one of the slaves Tiger freed.
The other good things is that Tiger might not have made the fishman pirates if he had not been a slave because a lot of them were former slaves that could not stay at fishman island so they had to move around as wanted people and we have the value of how much the races are worth which gave us a list of the races in One piece!
They didn't cut off connection, they lost it. And the Tenryuubito affair already caught their attention and they had to deal with it. And again, the idea of that panel isn't that Slave trade is illegal, it just a way to show how some people change the names of something to make it not sound so bad (at least to them).What kind of example is that? They cut off connections with the Human Shop so they could say they had nothing to do with itw..Wouldn't it make sense to prosecute the odd slave trader to keep up appearances?
Y'know, rather than saying a slave you say worker while treating them worse than slaves.
But I would think they would go after people like Macro, pirates who partake in slavetrade. I mean, the marines would have areas they could ambush the pirates. If they split the timing of catching the pirates -some before/some after -the sale of their captures to the auction houses, then that ploy would still have the slaves provided for the Tenryuubito (between the odd pirate sales and non-pirate traders) and then have some rescued from the pirates wanna-be traders so that the story of "mariens ARE helping against slavery" would get out to fool the general population.
That would be a win-win for the marines, they can not stop all the slave traders since the Tenryuubito want slaves, but they need to seem like they do something in order to keep the genreal populace to believe in them esp since the general thought is that slavery is banned
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