So it looks like the GOP race is over and it's going to be Romney v. Obama.
We lose no matter what, I never vote
I'm placing my bet on Obama winning.
Originally Posted by trappedolphin
Some perspective on some of what the President has done in his first term in office. Thoughts? Agreements? Disagreements?
It's been four years, so if anything it'd be nice to put into perspective the things he's failed on and the things he's delivered on.
Because if there's anything I've learned when it comes to politics, is that people's memories are short.
MY COMPLETELY NOT INFORMED TAKE ON OBAMA.
This is just listing what I've picked up from living day to day, without any major interest in following politics or the details. Everything I said is prone to being entirely wrong, factually incorrect, heresay, and is definitely uniformed. I'm well aware of that fact. Just stating what I *think* to be the case, as my general interest level and amount of stuff I've heard and retained about it is probably about the same as the average citizen, I'm sure there are other members on the board that follow this with keen interest and can do it way better and more insight.
=He kept the country from going completely bankrupt. Had to pull out insane huge future loans to do, but it kept a depression from happening.
=Started up a medical system that while unpopular, might be essential in the long run. Both a plus and a negative.
+Didn't ban gay marriage and otherwise try to destroy civil liberties of those that are "different".
=Aided in a small war, but only superficially and it was over in a few months.
+Got us out of another war we've been in for 9 years.
+Doesn't look like a complete idiot every time he's on tv, the rest of the world likes him better than the previous guy.
+Killed Bin Laden with his bare hands.
+No 9/11 or major hurricane disasters on his watch
-Failed to close down Guantanomo.
-Balooned the deficit hugely. To the point its in numbers in the trillions that we can't even fathom its so huge.
-Spent more vacation time than Bush did.
-Signed a law that will gives presidents ridiculous power, even if he doesn't choose to use it.
And other stuff, but those are the points I can think of without actually looking anywhere, so that's what I get from general osmosis and the Daily Show, (which should not be my only source of news, and yet, it is.) so thats probably about as informed as most people my age are, however right or wrong that information may be, and whatever else he may or may not have done. It might be unfair to count what he DIDN'T do as a positive (No gay marriage bans) but given the other side is all for that and would have guaranteed pushed for it, well... it should count. I'm not sure what he's done for education at all, but I know that No Child Left Behind was a horrendous poorly conceived abomination that has completely screwed schools up.
He's not done great, but given he started in an incredibly bad spot, and congress has been hostile the entire way. He made a lot of promises he couldn't keep, but thats the reality of the world. Its easy to say "Yes, we should close down this torturing prison", but... there's realities behind it that pure idealism can't deal with. He really should do better without re-election to worry about though.
Last edited by RobbyBevard; April 8th, 2012 at 05:29 PM.
Obama has taken roughly a third as many vacation days as Bush did at a similar point in his presidency.-Spent more vacation time than Bush did.
It was also passed by a margin that guaranteed that a veto would be overridden so passing it and killing it via signing statement was the only real way to get rid of it.-Signed a law that will gives presidents ridiculous power, even if he doesn't choose to use it.
I'm going to edit my previous post just a little to emphasize the fact that I'm completely uninformed on this topic.
I totally believe this. But the other "fact" gets thrown around. By people that dislike him and make up facts and hope people won't check them, I assume.Obama has taken roughly a third as many vacation days as Bush did at a similar point in his presidency.
Yeah, I recall that being the case too.It was also passed by a margin that guaranteed that a veto would be overridden so passing it and killing it via signing statement was the only real way to get rid of it.
Not cool, Monkey. I'm Canadian and I can speak from personal experience that we follow American politics just as closely as you guys. Regardless of what happens in the U.S., it does affect us here too.Originally Posted by Monkey King
You can understand it better than a Lithuanian obviously, since Canada does at least have the size side down. But I mean shit, your entire countries population is comparable to only just New England plus New York state. That's seven states, three of which have low population and most of which are small.
You may look at a map and think Canada must be similar demographically to the US, but it absolutely isn't.
Brazil, Russia, Indonesia, China, India, these are countries that the US can nod to in the hallway in mutual understanding. They know how it be.
"Yo Indonesia, man what up with Aceh."
"Shit man, you know how them pious cats are. Crazier than 50 west Papuans in a Sulawesi tour bus scoping the mosques and churches next to eachother."
"Hey everyone, Canada here, the Maritimes are pretty.....old fashioned kind of a little bit! Heh..heh...those guys."
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- Has been slow to follow up on securing stability in the aftermath more readily.
You might also add:
+ Obama Ends Stem Cell Research Ban
Everyone who doesn't back down from crazy people to support medicinal progress is cool in my book. I don't live in the US, but that was really great to me.
"medical miracles do not happen simply by accident"
I don't understand the stigma against stem cells. Of course I also don't know much about it in general. From what I always hear about it it sounds like they're killing children to get those stem cells but I can't imagine that's the case.
Originally Posted by trappedolphin
Its discarded material from fertilization treatments. Stuff that would just be thrown away *anyway*. It's not even aborted. It isn't fertilized, it isn't life, and theres nothing wrong with researching cures from it.
Unless you want to make the argument that every woman on the planet is a murderer once a month.
I'm an independant, so in all honesty I don't give a crap until election day and even then I'm rather apathetic about it.
All I know is I don't want Obama back :P
New candidate plz
I'll probably end up voting Republican though. My dad always held a deep respect for Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich both. My dad was an avid history and was extremely well read on current events as well. He often praised Newt Gingrich as one of the most intellegent men in regards to politics and Mitt Romney was brilliant with finances.
If they'd stop fighting in their debates and team up, there'd be potential for awesome happenings. (especially in regard to the national debt, I'd wager)
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I mean this is the guy who said Palestinians didn't exist and followed this up with basically shoohanding ethnic cleansing as not a big deal because the victims can go other places.
That's not just ignorance, it's dangerous ignorance that shouldn't be in office.
If Turkey decided to finish the job and invaded South Cyprus too, by Newt Gingrich's own logic it wouldn't be a real problem that Chrissie would be evicted and turned into a refugee.
Because Cypriots are an "invented people", and they have a Greece they can go to.
Are "Cypriots" what people are called in Cyprus? Maybe it's just me but that sounds awesome. Cyprus totally just jumped up a lot on my "Coolest Countries List"
And already the north half of the island was ethnically cleansed of Greeks (and the Turks fled the south). Chrissie's own father was a victim of ethnic cleansing, he lived in Famagusta. Look at what side of the border that's on now.
I remeber reading a couple years back about there being a North Cyprus that considered themselves a seperate nation from the rest of the island but only Turkey recognized them. Never looked into much after that, shame to hear it had already gotten that far as to go through "ethnic cleansing".
Alas, this is worldwide political mindset in general.
It's just hard to get motivated into caring or paying attention when I already decided who I was going to vote for months and months ago, and barring some crazy super scandal going down, I'm not really going to be swayed one way or the other.
Also the entire reason I did that list off the top of my head complete with disclaimer.
Obama is not popular, I doubt he'll win. He need to go because so many people lost thirty jobs because of him
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