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    Spoiler:

    Pretty interesting video about an alternative episode 3.


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    I was going to talk shit about Daenerys, but the tldr version is that she's a conqueror, not a ruler. When she listens to her advisors is usually to the worst ideas, like "let's make a truce with cersei" or "let's avoid burning the red keep down and avoid a senseless long war". I actually blame Tyrion, trying to reign her in, to save Cersei, is what put her in this situation.

    To be fair to Tyrion, I don't think he's aware of the worse things that Cersei has done. And early show did shift her "kill all babies" acts to Joffrey.

    But then again, advicing Dany is not easy: https://twitter.com/noahisaak/status/1125580781760524288

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    King Aerys the mad was mad because he was kidnaped and raped to try and get a prophecy going, and Tywin did Tywin things instead of rescuing him or ending him, leaving Dontos, the guy who actually saves sansa, as the one survivor of that insane family. That little change sidesteps too much of what is set up.

    Targaryens had been obsessing over fire like forever for Aerys to be an anomaly. One drank wildfire, other ended the least awful Targaryen, and his least awful heir, making a giant pyre, not counting the civil war (wars?) with dragons (should do THAT prequel instead of the night king), and so forth.
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    I get that they really want to push the oooh she's turning into the mad queen angle but the way they've gone about it so far just makes me think she is more often than not being the least unreasonable person in the room.

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    Agree, while her breaking points are there (her dragons, her armies, her actually loyal advisor, her actually loyal friend are gone), she responds with a very measured response all witstanding.

    I guess is an artifact from the GRRM outline clashing with how they set her up.

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    Maybe some lashing out at Sansa, the "what dragons eat" retort being way more menacing, her being generally colder or more erratic, or that she isn't the rightful heir being more of a "don't you DARE" rather to "let's put a pin on that".

    The things that would break her have happened, but she's taking it on strides. But she really should have killed or exiled Tyrion, or return him to the bureocratic administrator he trully is meant to be.
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    Yeah Tyrion as her hand hasn't really panned out for her. And once she starts revenge torturing and/or murdering his bro and sis i'd imagine Tyrions gonna be in an akward seat since it's implied he still kinda sorta likes his bro atleast. Oh well atleast we can look forward to the clegane brothers stabbing each other. It's one of those little things you can take comfort in

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    I wonder about the Mountain though. Will it be satisfying, whatwith the dude being a zombie and not really himself? Is it worth for the Hound to kill that husk of a man?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolus View Post
    I wonder about the Mountain though. Will it be satisfying, whatwith the dude being a zombie and not really himself? Is it worth for the Hound to kill that husk of a man?
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    Saw a few released photos from the next episodes. Spoiler tag them just in case.

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    Lol at Vary greeting Jon at the bay of Dragonstone.



    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    Not necesarily, think the north as Russia. That winter they are so proud is their last line of defense, and Euron's fleet can't be on two sides at once.

    Then there's moat calin, the one good road to the north, defended by a treacherous swamp, and a particulary dumb but effective fort. Of course the characters in the show don't believe in fortifications, but still is there.
    Not that harsh of a winter (at least compared to what the Hound went through last season). The Unsullied are basically in their swimming suits.

    But sure. I just feel like these stuff need to be addressed. They keep repeating how Sansa doesn't want to be ruled by Daenery's, but there's never a discussion of the consequences and the alternatives. Everyone's so one-note all the time.

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    If you do a character breakdown of GoT none of them are suited for the thrones and have all been reduced to a one note hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    True in a way but a different beast. It was his secret to entrust, if person X told you in confidence for instance that he was gay and ask you not to tell people you can't use the fact that he told you as an excuse for telling others. But i guess in an indirect way it is Jon's fault for not realizing what type of person Sansa was and how her word means about as much as her mentors word did
    I thught we were mocking the kids inability to keep secrects not specifically Sansa.

    Altough I do agree Sansa was worst. Not because it wasn't her secret to tell but because there was no advantage to it. It doesn't help at all, it just makes a target out of Jon. Also Jon telling her secret was consistent with his character where I really doubt Sansa telling in this specific context is. But Iguess that's what passes as conflict in current GOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeltrax225 View Post
    If you do a character breakdown of GoT none of them are suited for the thrones and have all been reduced to a one note hypocrite.
    I think a popular theory is that we are ending on a democracy or a council.



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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    Altough I do agree Sansa was worst. Not because it wasn't her secret to tell but because there was no advantage to it. It doesn't help at all, it just makes a target out of Jon. Also Jon telling her secret was consistent with his character where I really doubt Sansa telling in this specific context is. But Iguess that's what passes as conflict in current GOT.
    In the mind of the hacks who wrote it i assume it's done to show how she's now a shrewd littlefinger like character who plays the game of thrones and schemes. But of course when you watch it in the show it's just as dumb as the rest of the season has been

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    I do wonder what were the GRRM notes that led to "Daenerys goes south and is ambushed because fuck scouts" and "Cersei has Dany within shooting range of her fucking giant Balistae and doesn't take the shoot". Sansa being "I'll be shifty because is all I can do" or Stanis being "Let me make princess BBQ" or the Night King being "Let me be in the front lines, even if I die is literaly over for my side" seems quaint.
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    If i were to hazard a few baseless guesses i'm gonna say that either Martins planned pay off was based on a chain of events or character that they've already wasted or steered in a different direction. Either that or that his idea was too small and understated or too large in scope for them to handle it budget or timewise. They could of course just have thought eh i could write a better ending myself screw this guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    In the mind of the hacks who wrote it i assume it's done to show how she's now a shrewd littlefinger like character who plays the game of thrones and schemes. But of course when you watch it in the show it's just as dumb as the rest of the season has been
    It's a hard thing to be a fan of Sansa and Danny and not like Jon in this day and age. Even Tyrion is getting moronic.

    Thankfully Clegane is unimportant enough and grumpy enough that he is hasn't been mess with too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    If i were to hazard a few baseless guesses i'm gonna say that either Martins planned pay off was based on a chain of events or character that they've already wasted or steered in a different direction. Either that or that his idea was too small and understated or too large in scope for them to handle it budget or timewise. They could of course just have thought eh i could write a better ending myself screw this guy
    I can easily see "Danny becomes what she feared she would", "Sansa gain the throne by questionnable means".

    Stannis kills his daughter make sense to me. Easy tragic end to a man with a mission.



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    D&D:

    Aren't you happy we subverterd your expectations by making you think an apocalyptic event that has been building up for thousands of years and for the entirety of the show would be important, instead of just being debuff for daenerys’ army?


    At this point, I'm rooting for Game of Thrones to be as terrible as it can possibly be. If I can't get a good ending, give me the fucking worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajinArekkusu View Post
    D&D:
    Aren't you happy we subverterd your expectations by making you think an apocalyptic event that has been building up for thousands of years and for the entirety of the show would be important, instead of just being debuff for daenerys’ army?
    Meh it depends on your point of interest. Many prefer the politics to the fantasy and were happy the end was about the throne and not the overlord beyong the wall.

    Me I'm mostly puzzled and wonder or it looks on a rewatched.



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    Although The Long Night wasn't the penultimate episode, it felt like one. And the episode following the penultimate episode is the aftermath, where that big event that happened has some sort of effect on the characters, some shift in power, whatever. Regardless of the episode's position, it just follows.

    The Long Night had absolute no effect on anyone! Sansa's the same. Arya's is still bloodthirsty as hell. Bran's still the same. Jon's the same. Daenerys lost Jorah but, he's a warrior, it happens. Everyone's bloody the same! No one lost an arm, no one lost an eye. It was a detour that, with the exception of a diminished army, has no bearing on the war with Cersei.

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    I think they've completely effed the ending up already. If they really were going to dump the Night King storyline so easily, then they shouldn't have killed off Littlefinger so stupidly and in a way that just didn't work with his character. Also, the show works best when there is a balance between the two sides in the story, because that's what the principal characters, Jon and Dany, are dealing with. Fire and Ice, walkers and dragons, Targaryens and Starks, the North and the South. These dualities are what the story is about, for me, and I don't feel like i'm getting it from the show at all.

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    Don't you love how D&D miss the obvious symbolism of the chair being a huge, monstrous, jagged abominable thing made by swords and created by a conqueror that no one should sit on.

    I'll be repeating this when the final scene of the show happens and it's obviously a slow zoom out on whoever is sitting in that fucking chair as the theme song plays.

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