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    In general, I'm ok with climaxes that aren't huge action pieces, especially with the new James Bond films. I mean, yeah, it's kinda awkward when you have a bunch of other impressive action sequences going on in the movie, but I'd rather see it play out on the small scale than see a villain die in some hamfisted fashion of old, like falling off a cliff and shouting Noooo all the way down. But the one in Spectre could've had more to it, I will admit.
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    Shooting down a helicopter with a gun? Not sure what to think of that.


    I liked the movie, but I don't think it was better than Skyfall. Some great scenery and good characterization for Bond. Although the film seems to take a step back to the sillier kind of bond films, which I don't really want happening. Overall it still holds a pretty realistic tone that the Craig films have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    This was one of my problems with Skyfall as well. Villain hacks MI6, masterminds an escape, has goons in position for costume changes, redirects a freaking train with a bomb to help his escape, and it all culminates in him walking into a meeting to try and shoot M. Yawn much? Same goes, to a certain extent, for the Home Alone bit at the end where Silva goes in with two cars of guys and a helicopter. Sure Bond maneuvers him there but it's still pretty damn unimpressive.

    Say what you will about Quantum of Solace but at least it has a proper climax.
    The movie had similar problems to Skyfall and I wasn't a huge fan of Skyfall. It had more impressive set pieces then Skyfall but ultimately I think Skyfall was better for a better focus on its message and a more satisfying resolution of the story. Neither of them have shit on Casino Royale.
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    Then again, I thought Kingsman was flipping great and scratched my "colorful-adventure Bond" itch, so as far as I'm concerned they can tweak Bond however they want now.
    Hells yeah, Kingsman was flipping great!

    That vibrant, climatic fight scene with Gazelle easily blows any of these Daniel Craig snooze-fests out of the water. Hands down one of my favorite films of 2015.

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    I don't think it was better than Skyfall either and they really wasted Christopher Waltz which is like a crime against humanity.

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    A lot of people have already mentioned how the climax was kind of stupid and I agree. Blofield went completely out of his way to put himself in danger just to, if his plan went right, say bye to Bond face to face. The huge reach of Spectre was never really shown other than Batista being an amazing tracker. My biggest problem was that Blofield and Bond were like adoptive brothers and that's touched on and it comes up often but it's never given any real weight. Their scenes should have had more bite to them. Any time Silva was in a room with M you felt the tension and history between them. Silva similarly put himself in harms way just to finish off M face to face but he was clearly insane and obsessed by that point and it shows. Blofield and Bond never have that kind of chemistry and they should have.

    Also the way Blofields entire secret compound just blew up because of one explosion was comically lame.


    I think a good Bond film needs a strong villain. They had the right actor but the writing wasn't there. As other people have said the sets were great. I enjoyed a lot of the movie for me it's.

    Skyfall
    Royale
    Spectre
    Quantum

    One of the people I saw it with thought it was better than Skyfall and he praised the second half for being really close to previous Bond films. I only started with the Craig ones though so I don't have that kind of comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggerung View Post
    I don't think it was better than Skyfall either and they really wasted Christopher Waltz which is like a crime against humanity.
    Ah, forgot to mention that. Yeah, Waltz was criminally underutilized here. He did great with what he was given, which wasn't exactly a whole lot… He got some pretty short screentime, made worse by all of the build up they created in his first scene.

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    It was an ok movie. I wonder where all the money went, though. And I missed and will miss Javier Bardem in any new Bond film now.

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    Also, you may think after this experience Blofeld may say; "Mh, it is indeed a mistake to deliberately let Bond in my secret compounds. I will avoid that in the future."
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    One thing that really bothered me:

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    Bond takes the train, arrives in the desert somewhere, a car picks them up, they drive up to the secret compound and then ... they get captured, of course. What else. They took his gun. Obviously they would take his gun. What was the plan, then?

    That right there is Brosnan era Bond stupidity/arrogance.

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    Spoiler:
    "Mmmmm, I must show my enemy my secret lair, confirm his suspiciouns, reveal my plans, then strap him to a death machine and play around with him before I kill him. Yeessss, there's no way this can ever go wrong for me!"
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    Spoiler:
    "Hopefully he doesn't find out the weakness of my super advanced facility : a single bullet"

    My favorites Craig:

    Casino Royal
    : perfect
    Skyfall : very good and unlike any other James Bond
    Spectre : the first part is pretty good, once they are on the train it gets very bad
    Quantum of Solace : the opening song is alright
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    I've gone into a Craig marathon (it's not a marathon when you see 4 movies in the span of a week, but let's just call it that for now), and I'm honestly quite satisfied. Today I finished this "saga" with Spectre, and I honestly had a great time. It has flaws? Yeah. In fact, I get the feeling I liked this movie more than it deserved, considering some elements were kinda meh, or felt like the writers didn't give it enough thought, and that it didn't NEED to be 2 and a half friggin' hours long. . .but I just had quite a ton of fun with it, to the point I wanted more by its end.

    I think it has to do with the fact that Quantum of Solace is SUCH a letdown that both Skyfall and Spectre, which neither are in Casino Royale's league, became so much more enjoyable when compared to that disapointment of a movie. But I'd say even without that bias, both are definitely cool Bond movies. Cinematography is off the scale in both movies, with some really cool scenes here and there (specially fond of Mendes' clever use of silence in some scenes to great effect, which felt like a great novelty), some great action scenes and, thankfully, some very funny and crisp dialogue, specially in Spectre between Q and Bond (I don't remember laughing that much in a Bond movie before).

    I could get into the disappointing elements in both Sky and Spectre, wich both have and in pretty good measure, but. . .in the end, I had a good experience with them both, and both feel similar too. GREAT first hour or so, not so great climax, overall great entertainment value with tons of *legendary* Bond elements being playfully winked at (the back and forth with Q's gadgets, the Aston Martin, Monneypenny. . .). I just can't much get into grumpy mode as most of you seem to be getting into. Like, I could easily dislike Jurassic World when I could've been as forgiving with it considering "it's just an entertaintment", but I just wasn't very entertainted by it; these movies? Oh yes, I was!

    Needless to say, Casino Royale is still the absolutely undefeated one. Probably best Bond movie ever? I'm planning on revisiting some classic Bond (From Russia With Love, On His Majesty's Secret Service, still not sure on the other ones), but man it's just such a full package of a movie. . .

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    I saw a suggestion to create a greatest hits marathon by selecting the best movie from each Bond's filmography. What would your lists look like? Mine would be:

    Goldfinger
    OHMSS (obviously)
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    License to Kill
    Goldeneye
    Casino Royale

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    Just saw Spectre today.

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    As pretty much everyone has said, it's good as a fun dumb action movie, but it definitely has some lazy writing in it. The randomness of Judi Dench telling Bond to find the guy from the opening, the compound blowing up for seemingly no reason, and Blofeld being Bond's resentful adoptive brother was almost as dumb as The Joker being the shooter of Bruce Wayne's parents.

    Of all the Craig films I've seen (still haven't seen Quantum of Solace) this felt the most like a classic Bond film to me, and I'm not sure if I mean that as a good thing. Like, it had the feeling of an old Bond film, which I don't mind at all, but maybe that was partially due to the goofy writing. But I will say that I am glad we got a more positive ending for once, with pretty much everything working out for Bond in the end.

    Oh, and as a side note, when Q told Bond that his watch would be "loud" when the alarm went off, I thought that meant it would make some loud screeching noise or something, so it being a bomb caught me off guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    I saw a suggestion to create a greatest hits marathon by selecting the best movie from each Bond's filmography. What would your lists look like? Mine would be:

    Goldfinger
    OHMSS (obviously)
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    License to Kill
    Goldeneye
    Casino Royale
    From Russia With Love
    Thunderball
    OHMSS
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    License to Kill
    Goldeneye
    Casino Royale

    Actually very similar except I've never been impressed by Goldfinger.

    I haven't seen Spectre yet, and still need to rewatch Skyfall.

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    You Only Live Twice
    OHMSS
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    Licence to Kill
    Goldeneye
    Skyfall (but I need to rewatch Casino Royale to fully process it)

    The only Bond films I haven't seen are Man With the Golden Gun, Octopussy, Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day, and Quantum of Solace. But, based on what I've heard, I doubt any of them will become my favorites.

    And really, is there anyone who's going to argue Moore's, Dalton's, and Brosnan's best film? (and Lazenby only had one)

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    Saw Spectre two days ago.

    Ranking the Craig movies
    1. Casino Royale
    2. Skyfall
    3. Spectre
    4. Quantum of Solace

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    I really hope Spectre was just the first installment of a two part-story otherwise I'd be horribly disappointed by its lackluster showing. Partly ridiculous action scenes (helicopter and the plane in the snowy mountains) coupled with a villain who- albeit played by a great actor- felt like a huge asspull. "I'm behind all the shit that happened to you but there's virtually nothing proving my words muhaha" just ain't cutting it for me.
    The sad part is that the opening credits got me hyped so fuckin hard I was almost trembling with excitement. You know, imagining Waltz as this genius and scheming villain, masterfully pulling the threads behind all the three predecessors of Spectre. Yeah... you'll find me over there in that corner, bawling my eyes out.


    The young Craig we saw in Casino Royale was brimming with charisma; a godly performance. And in Skyfall the older actor pulled off the role of the older agent masterfully. But now... perhaps it's time to call it quits and (hopefully) go out with a bang in the next movie.

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    Rejected theme-song for Spectre, apparently...

    You know, I'm not a huge fan of Writing's on the Wall. It was kinda dull, the accompanying visuals were terrible and it went on for way too long... but compared to this thing? Writing's on the Wall is a goddamn masterpiece.

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    Maybe I'm biased since I'm a huge Radiohead fan, but I think that song was pretty solid. Well, on it's own at least.

    As a James Bond song? Well, yeah, it is pretty slow and melancholy, but so was Writing on the Wall.

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    A billion times better than that god awful Sam Smith garbage.
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    The instrumental music is very nice. The singing though, I donīt care for.

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    Accompanying music was wonderful and even Thom's sounding at the very least like a much more bearable Sam Smith.

    And they chose the latter over this? Dammit y'all.

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